Sep 18 2007

Another Long Ass Crazy Post: (Or, An Update)

Thank you all so much for your support and advice and affirmation. You all had great advice too (um, including the hitting back which, to be honest, has been on my mind and I’m SO relieved others would not find this totally unacceptable — as a last resort, obviously), and I’m so glad I have my own blog to use as a reference guide to parenting. Kick. Ass.

So, I spoke with the teacher on the phone. My basic points were the following:

1. That I realize I might be overreacting to the incident on the playground, and that I didn’t want to sound like an overzealous or ‘helicopter’ parent. I think after knowing so many teachers and hearing their stories about parents who approach them throwing accusations and not accepting any blame, I am probably paranoid about being that parent. But also, I wanted to immediately put it out there that I wasn’t blaming her. I did not want to make her feel defensive and if the conversation started out that way it would have immediately gone downhill.

2. To make sure that this has not happened before.

3. To make sure that if she sees it ever happening again, I would be notified.

4. To make sure that Bean was not being bullied by LMKR or anyone else.

5. To find out if Bean and Buddy were excluding themselves from the rest of the class.

6. To relay exactly what I saw, and the whole Closed Fist Punch part.

This is what I found out:

1. She has not witnessed this before. Of course, it’s only the second week of school and Bean and LMKR are both new students. New students need some adjustment dealing with school, and obviously with each other as well.

2. Along those same lines, she has not witnessed any bullying in the classroom or at the playground. While she can’t say that this kind of thing won’t happen again, she will definitely make it a point to keep her eye on this more now.

3. That Bean and LMKR both have strong personalities. I knew that already about Bean, and from I witnessed, I gathered as much about LMKR. Going back to Point 1, they are going to need to figure out how to deal with each other.

4. That when she had Bean and LMKR talk it out, she asked if they had anything to say to each other. They immediately both apologized. Yikes. I knew exactly what that meant, and I’ll get back to that in a second. What she tried to do was figure out why LMKR had hit Bean in the first place, and to ask Bean how she had felt about that (exactly what Rachel advised).

5. That after we left the playground, she talked to LMKR again, and then again before LMKR left school for the day. She told me that LMKR relayed that Bean had been doing something to her and Girl 1 (the swing-stealer) prior to The Punch — something about pouring dirt on some rocks they were playing with and they had asked her to stop and she hadn’t. The teacher also added, “Of COURSE that does not excuse any kind of hitting at all and any kind of aggression like that is absolutely not tolerated.” Her point was that she was trying to get to the root of the problem with LMKR so they could figure out how to handle it differently should a similar problem arise.

6. That the teacher was absolutely mortified that she had not only turned her head away for a moment and not witnessed any of it, but that my ILs were there for it all too. MOR. TI. FIED. It was actually the second time she said that to me. I may have been more cynical about that, had I not been there everyday watching her count the kids every minute. I told her I didn’t blame her at all, and she obviously cannot keep her eyes on everyone at all times. Still, she was clearly embarrassed about this.

7. It seemed to me that she was also concerned about the Closed Fist Punch, but she was trying not to let on to me that she was. She’s very calm and collected, as she should be, and I predicted she would be as much before I spoke with her. If she had gasped or acted disgusted, it only would have fed into my anger and I know that she shouldn’t do that. And I’m glad she acted as I expected her to — I have more respect for her. But, she did say in very diplomatic terms that the Closed Fist was ‘of concern’ and that in her many years of teaching, it has been a long, long, LONG time since she has seen or heard about that from a child. Maybe I was reading into it, but I think she was trying to circle around the idea that it’s a learned behavior without actually saying those words, as it obviously sounds accusatory.

8. Finally, I found out that Bean and Buddy do still stick close together, but Montessori is also based on a lot of individual play. Still, during group play, they are together. Eventually they are going to be separated into different classrooms (in a few weeks) and I’m hoping that helps more than it hurts.

I also thanked her for the background information (Bean not stopping with the dirt when they asked her to). I don’t want the teacher to think that I believe my kids are perfect or without fault. It actually made me a little relieved to know it wasn’t just a random act of bullying, and although the punch was clearly not the right solution, at least there was a reason for it (from LMKR’s POV at least).

As for Bean apologizing… I acknowledged that this was probably our fault. Apparently Bean has been apologizing a lot at school, without really knowing or explaining why. As the teacher said, “It’s very sweet, but what I’m trying to get out of her is an explanation and not an apology.” I think at home, we are teaching both kids to apologize just to apologize. (What can I say; we are passing on our guilt.). When the twins do something to upset each other, we are probably too quick to tell them to apologize to each other so we can all move on. Clearly, they know when to say it, but they don’t know why. Yikes. That has everything to do with our laziness as a parent and not taking the time to figure out how either one is feeling about it, or working out a solution. So, I told the teacher that we would work on that.

Overall, the conversation went very well. To be honest, I think we were both dreading it a little. At the end, the teacher told me several times that she was so glad I called.

My first parent-teacher serious issue conversation. What a milestone… for me.

Fifteen more years of this though? Seriously?

And despite having a better understanding of it all, I will say that LMKR is still on my shit list. I probably brought up the Closed Fist Punch a few too many times; I blame my vindictive and grudge-holding nature. She might be fine… but dude. Girl HITS WITH A CLOSED FIST. What the fuck? Just keep that shit away from my kids please.

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This morning, G told me that Bean saw him packing some oatmeal packets in his briefcase for work. She eats oatmeal every single day for breakfast without fail. So she suddenly was very upset that he was taking her oatmeal.

When he pointed out that he was taking the oatmeal flavors that she doesn’t like (we buy the variety pack boxes), she went from CRYING to huge smile in half a second.

In the meantime, my MIL was asking Bean, “Can you tell us why you are upset? Can you say, ‘I feel…?’”

Bean slowly said, “I feel… MUCH BETTER!”

*sigh*

Small steps.

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Again: crazy if you read this far. Maybe I’ll get better at the parenting thing and the blogging thing. Right now I feel like I’m only making right turns. With every milestone… I start at Step One again. Phew.



11 Comments

  1. Rachel
    Posted September 19, 2007 at 5:09 am | Permalink

    I’m glad you talked to the teacher, and it sounds like she really listened to your concerns. Yeah, I see a lot of hitting but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a kid throw a real punch.

  2. Superha
    Posted September 19, 2007 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    glad things went well with the teacher, but seriously, LOVE the oatmeal story. kids can be so funny!

  3. Snickollet
    Posted September 19, 2007 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    You rock. It sounds like you had a really productive, calm, rational, grown-up conversation with the teacher. I’m so impressed!

  4. angie
    Posted September 19, 2007 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    congrats(!) on getting through what i consider a nerve racking event: the first parent teacher conversation about something unpleasant.

    i feel . . . much better. (LOL!!!)

    LMKR is on my shit list, too.

  5. kim
    Posted September 19, 2007 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Keep us posted on how things turn out. I’m reassured that the teacher seems to be level-headed and approachable.

    The point about apologizing is an interesting one… I wonder when a child actually understands when they need to (or don’t need to) apologize? We have Emmy do it for naughty behavior, but how much of it is just to please us versus real understanding? Interesting food for thought…

  6. momomax
    Posted September 19, 2007 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    wut? where the hell, how did I miss your last post? sorry I’ve been out of it. what a little shit. I can’t even think straight right now. I just read the last one and now the update and I’m steaming. I know that kids are cruel and their animal instincts run unchecked sometimes. Bean is tough. She seems like a smart cookie you know? I have to say though, I felt nauseous after reading about the closed fist. Did you get a chance to talk to her parents? I would have been horrified if that was my kid. gargh. (I’m a pirate) I’m so sorry you had to deal with that little…girl.

  7. Mama's Moon
    Posted September 19, 2007 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    You survived your first serious parent-teacher ‘conference’ about an issue that really riled you up. And? And you sifted through it diplomatically in your own protective motherly right, as well you should have. You were also able to see both sides of the matter, as well as coming out of it much more respected by the kids’ teacher for being levelheaded and up front about your concerns. All in all, good job, HalfMama! Many others (including myself) would’ve been shaking with tears and emotion over our little one being hit with a closed fist by a peer! Can you say: ’straight ghetto-style’? Yeah, that would be me!

    Anyway, just wanted to give you a hug and encourage you to keep on keeping on. I could relate to your post on so many more levels than I can even describe. Bean and Buddy are lucky to have you watching after them. You rock, Lady!

  8. Mama Nabi
    Posted September 19, 2007 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    Dude… that was way calm. Way collected. I’m gonna borrow you when I have to do my first teacher-parent thing.

    I’m still not over it, though. Because LN pulls that shit with me when we play together - you know, I want things certain way and she may want to cover everything up with sand… and she’s not being malicious - but she does tend to be dogged about pleasing her own sense of aesthetics. And that shouldn’t earn her a closed fist punch. No way.
    And it wasn’t an immediate reaction - they waited until Bean was doing something else and then ganged up on her. That’s some fucked up kid mafia shit. That’s what worries me… it wasn’t an impulse move - it was a calculated attack.

    (Sheesh, ya’d think I’m Bean’s parent the way I can’t let the shit go… sorry. I know, your way is more zen. Mine is… well, psychotic.)

    Extra hugs for Bean from Auntie Nabi!

  9. sierrajuliettromeo
    Posted September 20, 2007 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    i’m hopelessly behind as usual, not that i have anything to add that hasn’t already been said. i’m glad to hear, though, that you had a reassuring talk with Bean’s teacher.

    as for the apologizing thing, it’s taken us a LOT of restraint to NOT tell Cadence to say she’s sorry when she’s done something wrong because we don’t want her to say something unless she means it. it feels really awkward when we’re w/ other kids and their parents, and you’re kinda expected to MAKE your kid apologize. we’ve gotten cadence to say thank you and please more by modeling than by compelling, and we hope that’ll work for the apologizing too. if we’re preceived as being rude in the short run by other families, i guess that’s what we have to deal with in hopes that cadence will learn to apologize out of true remorse and empathy, and not just to fulfill social expectations.

    that being said, i’m not sure HOW to get cadence to actually FEEL sorry when she’s done something wrong. is it a developmental thing? i hope so…

  10. dsmommy
    Posted September 21, 2007 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    Just wanted to say that i learned so much from this post. thanks.

  11. agpie's mom
    Posted September 21, 2007 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    this morning ann [?] from good morning america was on sesame street and explaining the word “apology.” she had a tough time. and i still didn’t understand the explanation afterwards. so it must not be bad parenting…
    agpie’s overuse of the word very early on used to drive me nuts (i think it was one of her first words). i asked the babysitter to stop using it and then i realized it was me. i think for everyone, not just toddling twins, it’s the easiest way to move on…

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